It's that time of year again

"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg) 12/06/2016 at 17:23 • Filed to: None

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The time of year when I consider taking a three month hibernation from Kinja rather than spend that entire time being reminded that, by having all-seasons as opposed to winter tires on my car, I am basically Satan.

duurtlang > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:25

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Oppo is an inclusive place. We welcome satan.

Jcarr > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:25

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I’ve lived in Iowa my whole life and have never had snow tires. I’ve also never been in an accident or gotten myself into a situation I couldn’t get out of on my own.

#endtireshaming

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > duurtlang 12/06/2016 at 17:26

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WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:26

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You’re not alone. Traction is overrated anyways, and spinning all 4 wheels is awesome.

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:26

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I disagree with your decision, but hey, I can’t stop you, and I won’t insult you. Just drive safe, bud.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > WilliamsSW 12/06/2016 at 17:27

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I’d be lying if I said I’ve ever had that problem.

S65 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:27

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Better than bald summer tires

HammerheadFistpunch > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:30

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yup. yupyupyup

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:30

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I have a Pathfinder 4x4. You have to be doing stupid things to spin all 4 in it.

I try to do that as much as possible when the snow is deep.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:34

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My parents have never bought anything but all-season tires for any of their cars ever in the 30-something years they’ve owned cars, yet somehow neither of them have gotten into accidents come winter that are their fault and manage to get to work and back just fine. I’ve never had issue either, even in my M3 which was on really aggressive all-seasons. Ignore the holier than thou whiners.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB 12/06/2016 at 17:36

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Does turning the ESP of and power sliding like a lunatic count as “safe”?

jk I only do that in parking lots. Also, I want snow tires for my car but for now it’s not my call.

ttyymmnn > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:37

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Chariotoflove > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:37

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Lived in Michigan for 9 years and never changed to winter tires. I made it out alive.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/06/2016 at 17:38

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Truth be told I’d love a set of snows for the Audi, but I’m not calling the shots on the matter and I’ve never had any real issues with the all-seasons.

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:39

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Eh, just know where the curbs are, make sure the lot is clear, and accept that anything that happens is your fault. Hence why I never go do snownuts in parking lots, because I’d rather not have to explain any damage.

Is there a vehicle in your household that has snow tires that you can use if you need to drive when there’s snow coming down? Because I totally get why you might not have snow tires for your car.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > CB 12/06/2016 at 17:39

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Pretty much this.

But yeah, I am of the opinion that if you live in a state where the winters are consistently snowy/icy, you should have winter tires. Especially if you’re someone who is into cars and actually understands the differences between the tire compounds/treads.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB 12/06/2016 at 17:39

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Yes. The X3 gets switched over to snows.

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:40

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Groovy. Save your snowy hooliganism for that, then*.

*I am not promoting snow hooliganism, but hey, it happens, might as well be safe

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > WilliamsSW 12/06/2016 at 17:41

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Ah, I misunderstood your comment. I thought you were being sarcastic. My bad.

Especially with the ESP off, I can absolutely get my car to spin all four wheels. Flooring it from a stop up a steep hill with the nannies off will do that. But I’ve never gotten it stuck/not been able to make a hill. In fact, only once have I been unable to get up a hill with ESP off, and as soon as I turned it back on it gripped and went.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB 12/06/2016 at 17:42

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Fair enough.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB 12/06/2016 at 17:43

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Although if I *do* fuck something up, I’d rather it was in my old car and not my dad’s newer Bimmer.

CB > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 12/06/2016 at 17:43

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I agree with you. I like the fact that Quebec requires you to have snow tires on your vehicle during the winter and kind of wish they would put that in place in Ontario. I get there’s an issue with having to pay for another set of tires (shit’s expensive, yo), but they’re a lot cheaper than having to pay out as the result of an accident.

Nothing > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:44

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I grew up in RWD vehicles with all seasons (preferably nearly bald) in north NY winters. Usually, it was either a 20 year old pickup, or mid-80s Grand Marquis/Crown Vic.  All-season away!

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:45

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True.

“Here lies sm70, who died after his father found out what had happened to the Bimmer after a bout of snowy hooliganism.”

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB 12/06/2016 at 17:47

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Ironically, the BMW ended up getting converted to snow tires after my dad drove it in the snow on the summer tires, slid into a curb and bent a rim and a tie rod.

Maybe if I slide the Audi into a curb he’ll get me summer tires too.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > CB 12/06/2016 at 17:47

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I get the price complaint if you’re someone who’s in a tough spot financially and daily driving a car worth under $10k or so because it’s all you can afford. In that sort of situation a few hundred bucks can be a lot to swallow. What gets me are the idiots I see bitching about not being able to afford winter tires for their relatively new sports car (saw a lot of these type of comments on FR-S/BRZ groups lately). If you can’t afford a used set of winter tires on steelies (a decent used set can be found for $300-400 all day), then you can’t afford to own that car.

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:48

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No, no worries. That Nissan isn’t a DD any more, but my DD has AWD and all seasons. It’s all that I need, and probably more than that.

Agree that it’s silly to insist that EVERYONE get snows. We all have different needs.

CB > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 12/06/2016 at 17:50

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Exactly. I sold auto parts for a year and a half, so I have an idea about maintenance expenses and annual costs. This is why I don’t own a car, because even if I bought a $2k car, I probably couldn’t afford it.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > WilliamsSW 12/06/2016 at 17:52

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True. I would love to have them, and I think it would be safe if everyone did, but it’s not like your car becomes some terrifying weapon of mass destruction with only all-seasons.

But don’t drive with summer/sports tires in the snow. That actually won’t work.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB 12/06/2016 at 17:55

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I didn’t know you don’t own a car.

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:56

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This. I can relate.

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:56

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Nope. I drive my mum’s Maxima when it’s not being used since I’m living at home and paying off student loans. It’s the responsible choice, but not a fun one.

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:57

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Yeah I tried summer tires once in a RWD BMW out of ignorance.  It did not work. AT ALL.

Stuck in about an inch of snow and maybe a 5 percent grade, couldn’t climb the hill with traction control on or off, starting in 1st, 2nd or 3rd gear.

Waited for the snow to melt by morning, then immediately bought winter tires for it.

Monkey B > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 17:58

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I find those that have never used winter tires are less receptive to the idea. I never had them until I was in my early 30's and wasn’t aware of their effectiveness until I experienced it. I’ve driven RWD performance cars on summers with no thought given and managed to stay out of trouble, but now knowing I’d much rather have the snows. Knowing I can avoid a potential issue due to added traction agrees with me.

I’d prefer a RWD on snows than an AWD on all seasons. They are that effective.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB 12/06/2016 at 17:58

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Student loans scare me TBH.

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 18:00

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Yuuup. I wish I had received more scholarships, but hey, that’s how it goes. I’m just glad I’m Canadian and have much cheaper schooling than I would if I lived in the States. Under $17k left and about 47 more months of payments to make, though, so it’s not terrible.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Monkey B 12/06/2016 at 18:01

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My dad’s old car (Ford Flex FWD) and his current car (X3 AWD) both had/have snow tires. I drive both regularly and am well aware of their effectiveness. However, my dad has decided that he can’t justify hundreds of dollars on a second set of tires for an AWD car worth $3500. And I resent the idea that I’m some sort of menace to society just because of the all-seasons.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB 12/06/2016 at 18:03

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Yeah our tuition here is insane. Four years of payment isn’t actually that terrible, relatively.

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 18:04

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Bingo. I owed $22,314 when I graduated, been paying it off all summer, and got a hand from savings and a gift from a relative who passed away. When I hear about other Oppos on here who are married, have kids, and are still paying of loans, I feel incredibly lucky.

Mattbob > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 18:07

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or just do what I do, and lie about it. I always tell other people to get winter tires, but never get them for myself. Never gotten stuck or gotten into trouble yet.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Mattbob 12/06/2016 at 18:09

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Works for me

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > CB 12/06/2016 at 18:13

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That’ll be me next year... Gettig married in May and paying for my own Grad School but luckily it’s one year and then I’ll be doing fairly well. Parents also said they may help with Grad School even though they’ve already paid my way through Undergrad.

mazda616 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 18:14

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Guess how much trouble our front-wheel-drive CX-5 had here with all season tires? None.

Snowfalls like that are a freak occurrence here in Kentucky yes. So, I’m not spending money on snow tires to cruise around on dry (or just rain soaked) pavement for half the year. Personally, during any of our big snows here, I’ve never had trouble with all seasons. Hell, my old Grand Am (on all season tires) got my grandparents and I out of the house during a hellacious ice storm in 2009 that left us without power for nine days. Out of our three vehicles, it was the only one that could move.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 18:16

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I just live in a place where we get snow one-two times a year and then I deflate my tires a little bit and the Lexus sails. Or... we just jump in the FJ40 and have fun. For the most part snow is apocalyptic here bough and everything shuts down so we don’t have to go anywhere.

CB > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 12/06/2016 at 18:16

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Good luck, dude! I’m pulling for you.

Fun fact: both my sisters decided to go for their Masters/doctorates/other schooling. I decided that I love my wallet too much, and that having one degree paid off before I go for a second one isn’t a terrible idea.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 18:17

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Basically Satan? More like: LITERALLY Satan.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > CB 12/06/2016 at 18:21

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Yeah like I said luckily he first one is paid off. The 2nd shouldn’t be too bad $ wise.

Rykilla303 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 18:24

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don’t worry, we’ll be evil together. (i once even had race slicks for my daily here in colorado. made for good fun)

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 18:37

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I don’t have anything to say about your all seasons. I’m driving a Jeep (Joop for hondabro) on way too wide tires that won’t help in the snow. Also Scoob is a poo.

Monkey B > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 18:43

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certainly not a menace...there is a proper way to handle the sloppy stuff even with snows and AWD.

I’d argue it’s not the $3500 car dad should be concerned with.

feather-throttle-not-hair > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 19:00

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Ugh. This is the problem with seattle. We had a big storm like 5 years ago. My car and its summer tires went completely and totally out of commission (couldn’t move at all.)

I was like “well its seattle. It wont snow again, but i’ll just get some nice all seasons so if it does next year, i’ll be semi-okay in a pinch.”

It proceeded to not snow at all for 4 straight years.

This summer my friend offered me a killer deal on some very nice very lightly used summer tires. I put them on my car, since it hadn’t snowed and at that point the all seasons were starting to need replacing. Now the weather forecast says it’ll actually snow this year. I just can’t win.

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 19:08

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I don’t live in Alaska or Canada and they plow the roads by me fairly well. I’ve never been stranded by all seasons. That said I have driven the same car back to back with all seasons and winter tires on snowy pavement. The difference was very noticeable.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 19:39

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I spent an entire year driving the Niva (including 6 months as a daily driver in a city that doesn’t have enough plowing budget to hit everything) on mismatches bald, dry-rotted, age-cracked, hard-as-rock all-seasons. No issues at all either, I mean stopping wasn’t always great, but that had a lot to do with shitty brakes that didn’t do much until the pedal went low enough the “panic” circuit went and basically locked ‘me up. After rather forcibly replacing the tires with some that legally count as winter tires, I still found myself sliding around.

Sure, I could launch harder, stop a bit better (the brakes still sucked), and didn’t understeer quite as much, but I wouldn’t have called it a night and day difference. Like I’d been doing before, I knew my vehicle’s limits and could drive accordingly, taking full advantage of my vehicle’s driving characteristics, even in unconventional manoeuvres if I saw fit. (“What’s a Scandinavian flick, officer?” is a thing I’ve never had to say, I promise.)

You know your vehicle, you know what it can and can’t do, and adjust your driving accordingly. Yes, you’re definitely at a disadvantage not having winter tires (the difference between the older BFG KO’s and the Grabber AT2's was an actual night and day difference for my Jeep that was primarily RWD) but so long as you aren’t stupid, don’t drive like an idiot who thinks snow and pavement have the same coefficient of friction, and realize that pushing the accelerator harder doesn’t always equate to the vehicle accelerating faster, and applying the brake harder doesn’t always mean you stop more quickly, and turning the steering wheel more doesn’t always make you turn more sharply, and don’t panic if you start to slid a little, you’ll still do fine.

It’s not like winter tires turn you into a traction God either. We all saw that recent video from Quebec where winter tires are provincially mandated, after all. Driving is more about knowing and paying attention to what you’re doing than it is about the equipment, especially on the street.

Winter tires are still a good idea.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 12/06/2016 at 19:50

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You caught me.

random001 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 20:00

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That moment when you realize it’s not your tires that is the reason...

wiffleballtony > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 20:48

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Summer tires, all year.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > wiffleballtony 12/06/2016 at 21:33

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Let’s not get crazy now.

MyJeepGetsStuckInTheSnow > CB 12/06/2016 at 21:51

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I made my last student loan payment last month at the age of 32. It felt so liberating. Keep your head down and keep going! You can do it! Don’t stress about living with your parents for a while. It will totally be worth it in the end.

CB > MyJeepGetsStuckInTheSnow 12/06/2016 at 22:07

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It’s a bummer living at home, yeah, but you make an excellent point. Congrats on being finished with your loan, by the way!

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > wiffleballtony 12/06/2016 at 22:13

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Let’s not get crazy now.

wiffleballtony > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 12/06/2016 at 22:45

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I’m getting mixed signals